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You Are My Salvation

04 Jun

It’s old news, but I’m going with it anyway.

Y’know Dovid Gabay sings that song “Daven For Me”,( partial lyrics of the chorus are as follows)

“Daven for me and I’ll daven for you, Oh, how I know your pain, I feel it too… Let’s storm the gates of Heaven we will break through, “ וחבר בעד המתפלל כל” yes it’s true, so Daven for me and I’ll daven for you..”.

From this song an organization called “Daven For Me” was started. The basic premise is, match people up with the same issue (shidduchim, infertility, nachas fun der kind, and parnossah) and have them daven for each other, satisfy the terms of the Chazal, and receive salvation.

( For those of you not familiar with the song, or Chazal, basically it says, anyone who prays on their friends behalf, and they need the same thing, they will receive salvation before their friend they were praying for)

Anywho, I think the whole thing is a little manipulative.

The whole psyche behind the Chazal is not “Here’s a cheat sheet to get what you want” but rather an insight into the reward of selflessness and concern for others.

If a person sincerely is concerned about the welfare of their friend, and they care to pray on their behalf, that’s beautiful. If in addition that person has the same need, but still sincerely cares and feels the pain and suffering of their friend and truly prays for them selflessly, their selflessness is repaid in that they will receive salvation for that need before their friend.

Like I said, the song and the organization are a little manipulative. By purposely orchestrating people to pray for each other it defeats the entire foundation. While it may comply with the terms, it really doesn’t satisfy the spirit, or point. In fact it takes the selflessness and turns it into complete personal motivation.

 So, what do you say, is the song and organization legit, and I’m trying too hard? Or is it all really a farce and a bit of a travesty?

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Posted by on June 4, 2010 in Jewish

 

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6 responses to “You Are My Salvation

  1. tesyaa

    June 4, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    The whole thing is a bit silly. I had a friend who knew I was experiencing infertility (many moons ago), but I don’t recall her saying anything about davening for me until she experienced a miscarriage and wanted to conceive again quickly. (She already had a couple of kids at least). THEN she felt the need to daven for me, based on the chazal.

     
  2. jennifer

    June 5, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    while it does seem a bit like “using” the chazal,
    why not? I mean, you obviously can feel very strongly for someone else that is in a similar situation to you… your’re allowed to daven for them and hope something good will com out of it for you too.
    i hear your point, but i feel like it’s a nice thing too… to be able to focus on someone else’s pain at a time when you’re in pain too.

     
  3. tembow

    June 6, 2010 at 12:01 am

    one interpretation behind this Chazal that i really like:

    you might view this as very selfish: i’m gonna daven for you so that i get what i want. but in essence, it’s really the complete opposite. i show Hashem that i’m davening for you even though i need the exact same thing. it’s an act of selflessness rather than selfish.

     
  4. Devorah

    June 6, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    I agree with you. Hashem doesn’t work like a vending machine filled with snacks-you put in your money, push the button and the snack you want will come shooting out. We don’t always understand why things happen and why Hashem makes us wait for the things we want most. Of course it is important to daven for other people as this in turn makes us into more selfless individuals. However, it becomes a problem when it becomes another one of those segulas and people EXPECT to see their answer within a certain time frame. What happens when they don’t get their answer?!

    We have to work on building our emunah so that we can say, “it’s all for the best, even when I don’t understand!”

     
  5. Aaron

    June 9, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Beautifully said, Tembow. The point in the Chazal is the selflessness that you display, praying for another to be helped with something you yourself need.
    That being said, I don’t think the organization is such a bad idea. You could have the wrong things in mind, and maybe many do, but it’s all a matter of perspective. I bet there are many people who really try to have the other person in mind, though they may not know them.

     
  6. Michael

    August 10, 2010 at 1:31 am

    I couldn’t agree more. The first time I heard this song it seriously disturbed me.

     

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